ONE-ON
ONE WITH MOONBERRY
New
York Graphic Designer
Irene "Moonberry"
Santoso
By Dennis A.
Amith, AsianConnections.com
When looking at a beautiful web site created by Moonberry,
you wonder who this person may be and you see how talented she is.
That talent has put Irene "Moonberry" Santoso in
the top 100 list of the best graphic web designers in the world
by IMG SRC 100.
Born in Surabaya, Indonesia, Moonberry's parents believed
that English education was important and so she was sent to study
in Singapore at the age of 9.
In 1992, she moved to New York City where she currently resides.
Recently, APR had the chance to interview the mysterious
graphic designer Moonberry regarding her life and her career.
Dennis:
Did you grow up with a strong Asian upbringing?
Moonberry:
It was more of a South-East Asian blend. Even though my parents
are both ethnic Chinese, our family has been in Indonesia for three
generations, therefore the atmosphere in my family is not traditional
Chinese at all. For example, we don't observe Chinese New Year in
our family.
Dennis:
How did you get your nickname "Moonberry?"
Moonberry:
I wanted a nickname that is friendly, approachable, somewhat mysterious,
but yet harmless, not overly cutesy, personable, intriguing, unique
and not easily forgotten. Out of the blue, one day it just came
to mind and I fell in love with it. My friends think it suits me
a lot, and it has the capacity to represent the different sides
of my personality.
One day, the girl bearing the nickname Moonberry may be this
funky, silly, cheerful, unstoppably crazy gal. And on another day,
Moonberry may be some cold, distant, strange girl who looks at the
world with jadedness. Same person behind the same nickname, but
different moods. Gee, I hope I don't sound as if I am suffering
from multiple-personality disorder.
Dennis:
Do you mind me calling you Moonberry or would you rather I call
you Irene?
Moonberry:
Actually, a lot of my friends call me "Moonberry" and
they rarely refer to me by my real name. They have since created
their own versions of my nickname, "Moonie," "Berries,"
"MB," "Ah Moon" etc.
Dennis:
If you had one word to describe yourself, what would that word be
and why?
Moonberry:
Water. H2O. Aqua. I am constantly changing and adapting to my surroundings.
I react to the people, the events around me and in many ways, they
indirectly shape me into a new person constantly. I am always growing,
observing and learning new things. I thrive in change and challenges.
Just like water, you can't hold it in your hands but you can contain
it in a space and see its form. There are also the other two different
states of water -- ice and steam.
Dennis: Were you once a model?
Moonberry:
(Laugh) It always amuses me when I'm asked that question, it's no
doubt flattering but frankly I don't quite know where people get
that idea from. Hmm?/font>
Dennis:
Where did you graduate and what was your major?
Moonberry:
I graduated from the Fashion Institute of Technology with an Advertising
Design degree, and then Parsons School of Design with a Communication
Graphic Design degree.
Dennis:
Are there any classes that you didn't like in college?
Moonberry:
There was none, really. College was absolutely a breeze. I love
design very much, and to be in school absorbing and learning as
much as I could was a total joy-ride. Yes, I was (am) 100% design
geek.
Dennis:
After graduating, how was the process of finding a job?
Moonberry:
It was actually fairly straight-forward. I knew from a very early
age exactly what I want to do as my career. I started laying out
the foundation since I was a sophomore, by interning for design
firms, building up my resume and gathering experience. I have always
been very (if not, overly) focused when it comes to having a design
career. Like I said, I was (am) 100% incorrigible design geek!
Dennis:
You were selected by Image SRC 100 as one of the top 100 in the
world in graphic/web designs. What was your reaction when you were
recognized for your work?
Moonberry: I was absolutely flattered beyond
belief. I have always admired the other designers: TOMATO, Anti-ROM,
jodi, dhky, suction, Freshfarmers etc. To actually have my work
be showcased side by side next to these awesome talented designers
whom I seek inspirations from...Whoa! Believe me, I am still picking
up my jaw from the floor. It was truly an honor.
Dennis:
Now that you are on top. Do you feel pressure to produce web sites
or work that is top notch?
Moonberry:
I don't think I've reached the top, I still have a long way to go
and I want to continually explore and experiment with many different
forms of design expressions. I think that producing good tasteful
web sites should be a default, it's the standard that every good
respectable designer ought to uphold and maintain. My designs have
always been extremely personal and they constantly reflect and document
my personal growth as a designer and an individual.
Dennis:
Let's talk about Faye.com. Can you tell us what the site is about?
Moonberry:
Faye.com is a personal tribute to Faye Wong - the singer, the performer,
the artist, the human being. It is not an official site but I really
hope that it will catch the attention of Faye's media representatives.
Dennis:
Do you like Faye Wong a lot?
Moonberry:
Faye Wong is a true inspiration to me. She is blessed with a beautiful
voice. I appreciate her music, but I also appreciate her as an individual.
Faye has been subjected to many criticisms on her art and the press
constantly evades her personal life. Yet, without having the need
to explain or justify the things she does, she chooses to let her
music expresses her inner thoughts. Design does the same thing for
me. I am not seeking for anyone to understand me and I am often
very paradoxical, contradicting myself at times. I prefer to speak
and be understood via my designs; anyone is free to interpret it
in any manner they choose but what one reads may not be what is
written. Perhaps it is the eccentricity that is within most artists.
Bohemian. Unrestrained. Experimental. Incomprehensible to some.
Enlightening and amusing to others.
Dennis:
Has Faye or her people contacted you before?
Moonberry:
Nope.
Dennis:
What is your favorite Faye Wong song?
Moonberry:
I like all of Faye Wong's songs, but the one that really struck
a deep chord in me is one that's titled "Abstinence" (track
8, SKY album). It is a very beautiful melody, she did not write
nor compose it herself, however she delivered it extremely well.
Every single word is so touching. The song is basically about a
woman torn between unreciprocated love and insecurity. That song
moves me a lot since it expresses the wave of conflicting emotions,
the vulnerability of a woman in love and the wait for a promise
that will never be.
Dennis:
Is it true that you have a beautiful singing voice?
Moonberry:
Uh oh.. Who has been spreading rumors about me?
Dennis:
Have you met Faye Wong before?
Moonberry:
I have actually met Faye Wong once, when she was in Las Vegas
for her concert. She was very heavily guarded by her entourage though,
and I managed to come close enough to be rejected to have my photo
taken together with her. She looked at me from behind her sunglasses,
and her first word to me was "No." Of course that is not
going to deter me from meeting her again, is it?
Dennis:
If you were in a caf?and Faye was sitting right across from you,
what would you do?
Moonberry:
If I see Faye sitting across me in a caf? I would definitely show
her this interview. (Laugh)
Dennis:
What did you think about "ChungKing Express"?
Moonberry:
I adore and worship Wong Kar Wai. His films are amazing. He's a
genius!
"ChungKing
Express" is one of my favorite movies. I like how certain events
that happen to the characters in the movie in turn affect the other
characters and how they handle subsequent events. It really holds
true that everyday inter-human relationships shape the paths we
choose to take and the decisions we make. It is all inter-related.
I love every single one of Wong Kar Wai's movies, even though I
still have not seen his debut film, "As Tears Go By".
Dennis: Do you
like pineapple?
Moonberry:
Yes I do. Canned Del-Monte please. Just like the ones in "ChungKing
Express".
Dennis:
Of all the work that you have done, what is your favorite so far?
Moonberry:
I don't really have any favorite. Falling in love with your
own work is a very dangerous suicidal thing, the sheer size of your
ego alone is enough to propel you to shameless self-idolatry and
cause your downfall!
Seriously, my
visual vocabulary is always expanding and I am never satisfied with
my work. Every time I complete designing something, I will return
to it again a few days later and look at it extra critically. For
now, I think Faye.com has been the most satisfactory so far, only
because it is highly experimental and I get self-gratification via
the learning process.
Dennis:
Does it bug you that many Asians call themselves graphic designers
because they own Adobe Photoshop and know HTML and still their sites
really suck?
Moonberry:
Hell yeah! Posers! This phenomenon of "I am a designer too!"
is not exclusively an Asian thing though. It prevails. Watch out
for it. Accept no imitation.
Dennis:
Which design class really helped you the most?
Moonberry:
I took a typography class taught by an excellent professor, Martin
Solomon, and he taught me that typography is a piece of art. It
is a breathing and living thing, be sensitive towards it and treat
it with respect, do not abuse it. Typography is often the essence
of a successful design. It is a very powerful element of design.
Word
Play with Moonberry
Dennis:
When I see a web site that is so bad I....
Moonberry:
Roll my eyes to the ceiling of my sockets and grimaced in disgust.
Dennis:
I prefer Mac's because....
Moonberry:
they are intuitive to use and idiot-proof.
Dennis:
When I try to get ideas for designs I?
Moonberry:
Sleep.
Dennis:
My favorite song right now is....
Moonberry:
"I Do (Cherish You)" by 98 Degrees.
Dennis:
When I can't think of a good idea when I'm designing I....
Moonberry:
go online, surf the web, chat with my friends, flip through my magazines.
Dennis:
When people who claim are designers use Microsoft FrontPage in my
mind I think...."
Moonberry:
(Immediate shudder)
Dennis:
I love being Asian because....
Moonberry:
Asians are rich in heritage.
Dennis:
I'm sure you are busy as a graphic designer but what do you like
to do for fun?
Moonberry: All work and no play makes a dull
Moonberry. In fact, I hang out on weekends way too much! Karaoke,
clubs, bars, dim sum. And I fly to Toronto or the left coast a lot
to hang out and party with my friends there. But I usually retreat
to my own private little space to "detox" after all the
chaos and madness are over.
Dennis:
What kind of e-mail do you get from people who go to your sites?
Moonberry:
I get a bleep load of emails everyday. From everyone everywhere.
Most of the emails express their appreciation towards my designs
and curiosity towards me as a person. People are very interested
to know where I get my inspirations from, how my mind works, what
I'm thinking about. A lot of people have professed to be inspired
by my designs and my writings. It is highly flattering and very
uplifting to know that my miniscule existence in this universe is
able to reach out to so many, to provoke and affect their thoughts.
Dennis:
What do you do in your spare time?
Moonberry:
Pace in front of my Mac, bug my online friends, lie in bed, stare
at the ceiling, listen to my CDs, rummage my fridge for munchies,
pace again, then sit outside at the back porch and light a Marlboro
menthol light.
Dennis:
What is your favorite food?
Moonberry:
I am not very picky, and I eat pretty much anything from duck's
blood , mega spicy Kim chi, intestines, and all that funky Asian
food. Anyone who knows me can tell you that I am not a big eater
at all and I eat like a bird. I'm constantly hungry but I don't
have much of an appetite.
Dennis:
What is your favorite tea?
Moonberry:
Bubble tea ------ Tien Ren's Longan Bubble Tea with coconut jelly
(yumm!)
Dennis:
WEST COAST vs. EAST COAST and why?
Moonberry:
East coast rules! The lifestyle out in the west coast seems
a lot more preppy and laid back. I think East Coasters are more
worldly and they know how to have a party and get down (Grin). No
offense, West Coasters. No other city compares to New York City.
Dennis:
Are you into Asian pop music? Any favorite artists or groups?
Moonberry:
Oohhh, I am a hopeless Asian pop music junkie. I rarely tune into
radio Top 40s since I always have my CDs playing Cantopop and Jpop.
There are a lot of good singers and groups out there and I listen
to everything from mainstream sappy love songs, alternative Brit-pop-influenced
songs, Chinese hip-hop and R&B to cutesy Japanese teenybopper
tunes. Anything that's soothing and easy on the ears.
Dennis:
What is a typical day for Moonberry?
Moonberry:
Everyday I wake up to curse at the alarm clock for not buzzing on
time, causing me to be late at work. From then on, it is a juggling
act of working and surfing the web, habitually exchanging a few
messages amongst close friends via chat to gossip and plan for the
weekend's festivities. More work. Jumping from one meeting to another,
supervising my team of designers, goofing around on/offline, dozing
off on the subway ride home, turning on the Mac as soon as I step
into my apartment, geeking online for a few hours. My phone line
is dedicated to my dial-up so it's always busy, but occasionally
some fortunate blessed souls manage to reach me on the phone so
I end up talking to them for a little bit, before tossing and turning
in bed for an hour until I finally drift asleep. Of course, not
without double-checking the alarm clock. But we all know what will
happen the next morning, don't we?
Dennis:
How did you get involved in graphic designing?
Moonberry:
I was twelve years old and my father brought me to Japan to be his
English interpreter on one of his business trips. And as a reward
to his nerdy daughter, he took me to a bookstore one evening. That
was when I first picked up a graphic design book from the shelf
and it changed my world. I was determined to study graphic design
and live in Japan after my O-levels. I even took 5 years worth of
Japanese language classes and mastered it fluently. Alas, a twist
of fate brought me to New York instead and I have been here ever
since. The rest is history.
Dennis:
What is the most satisfying and frustrating part of being a graphic
designer?
Moonberry:
For frustrating, it's Idiotic, close-minded, conservative and stubborn
clients. As for satisfying, the opening up their visual horizons
and educating them about the web and design.
Dennis:
What programs do you like to use for designing? (what are your main
programs that you prefer using)
Moonberry:
Adobe Photoshop.
Dennis:
Currently, what bugs you about web designing at the moment?
Moonberry:
The issue of bandwidth constraints is extremely restrictive. It
really bugs me but at the same time, it also challenges me to achieve
something good within these tight parameters. Now that's exciting.
It used to be easy designing for only one browser, but there are
now so many different versions and discrepancies that it frustrates
me. The inconsistent, uncontrollable factors coming from the web
recipients' browser and platform configurations are annoying as
well.
Dennis:
A few designers are claiming that HTML is dying and FLASH is in
and is the future in web designing. Do you agree with that?
Moonberry:
I don't necessarily think that HTML is dying. It's the bare bones
of the web design. Flash is definitely becoming more and more prevalent
and you can achieve so many wonderful stuff with it. I am glad that
web design has progressed in such a manner. It opened up a lot of
creativity for designers and they do not have to be forever coding
tags.
Dennis:
What advice would you give to people out there who would like a
career in graphic designing?
Moonberry:
Do not create merely pretty pictures. Give it substance. Embed your
message into the design. Make it functional. Say something, let
your voice be heard. Graphic design is an amazing vehicle for communicating
form and function. Be inspired. Be open to new ideas. Be original
and never ever plagiarize someone else's work. A classmate from
Parsons School of Design once said: "Practice safe design.
Use concept."
Dennis:
Any final words you would like to share, anything in your mind in
general?
Moonberry:
Soy products and the mystery of (how to achieve) happiness + peace
of mind.
Thank
you to AsianConnections correspondent Dennis A. Amith. This interview
by Dennis originally appeared in Asian Pacific Review - Vol. 5,
Issue No.2
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